Comments on: Fixed Income Trading: The Definitive Guide https://mergersandinquisitions.com/fixed-income-trading/ Discover How to Get Into Investment Banking Sat, 01 Jul 2023 14:46:41 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.2.2 By: Quant https://mergersandinquisitions.com/fixed-income-trading/#comment-709691 Tue, 27 Aug 2019 22:59:46 +0000 https://www.mergersandinquisitions.com/?p=1276#comment-709691 In reply to Tjmrr.

Quants are currently being hired in vast swathes across banks for automation in e-rates, eFX. Cash equities seems to have already been done by most. The next wave will be flow derivatives eg. swaps, swaptions, liquid bonds & central risk books. Being a quant is a very good place right now but the lack of aggression on PnL by some more traditional pricing quants means that newbies often face pretty meagre pay and talent is being stripped out by big tech companies. Banks seems to be responding to this by hiring quants paid directly by the desk (known as strats). The downside of this is the pressure is far greater as they don’t hide behind a corporate division.

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By: M&I - Brian https://mergersandinquisitions.com/fixed-income-trading/#comment-694464 Wed, 19 Dec 2018 03:47:59 +0000 https://www.mergersandinquisitions.com/?p=1276#comment-694464 In reply to MLB.

It’s probably lower at regional banks. The figures here came from the larger banks. I would expect base salaries to be similar at the regional banks, but the bonuses to maybe be 20-30% lower. I don’t have the data, though, so I am just extrapolating based on the discount in other roles.

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By: MLB https://mergersandinquisitions.com/fixed-income-trading/#comment-694306 Sun, 16 Dec 2018 08:05:46 +0000 https://www.mergersandinquisitions.com/?p=1276#comment-694306 Does the S&T pay listed apply to only BB? Or regional banks such as BMO, KeyBanc, PNC?

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By: M&I - Brian https://mergersandinquisitions.com/fixed-income-trading/#comment-692915 Sat, 24 Nov 2018 15:42:39 +0000 https://www.mergersandinquisitions.com/?p=1276#comment-692915 In reply to RG.

Thanks. Offhand, I’m not sure how you would do that because we haven’t had stories from readers who switched from data science into finance. But I think your best bet would be to aim for hedge funds that use quant strategies or prop trading firms instead of large banks because large banks want to see finance experience and credentials, while the others just want you to get results. You should probably start by creating some type of project such as a trading algorithm or statistical analysis of a strategy you came up with and then using it to reach out to firms. The strategy described here would work pretty well:

https://mergersandinquisitions.com/quant-research-jobs/

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By: RG https://mergersandinquisitions.com/fixed-income-trading/#comment-692896 Sat, 24 Nov 2018 06:32:18 +0000 https://www.mergersandinquisitions.com/?p=1276#comment-692896 Thanks for the update on the article. I’m a few years out of undergraduate with work experience as a Data Scientist (non-finance industry; CFA L3 candidate). How might someone in my situation make the transition to trading? I’m particularly interested in high yield, distressed debt desk analyst type positions (loved your article on that btw).

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By: M&I - Brian https://mergersandinquisitions.com/fixed-income-trading/#comment-688905 Fri, 28 Sep 2018 00:31:21 +0000 https://www.mergersandinquisitions.com/?p=1276#comment-688905 In reply to Tjmrr.

Some of them, yes, but humans will always be around in some form for larger/more complex deals that can’t be automated in the same way. So I doubt that everything will be done by algorithms.

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By: Tjmrr https://mergersandinquisitions.com/fixed-income-trading/#comment-688840 Thu, 27 Sep 2018 07:30:05 +0000 https://www.mergersandinquisitions.com/?p=1276#comment-688840 In reply to M&I – Brian.

Thank you for your insightful answer and very useful link. Love your website – it’s been consequential in breaking in and my career development.

Furthermore, do you think that ‘strader’ types (mr, qr) will supplant the old guard of traders when the dust clears from automation?

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By: M&I - Brian https://mergersandinquisitions.com/fixed-income-trading/#comment-688787 Wed, 26 Sep 2018 14:35:13 +0000 https://www.mergersandinquisitions.com/?p=1276#comment-688787 In reply to Tjmrr.

I think that could easily happen. It has always been easier to move over from back or middle-office roles in sales & trading to front-office ones, even before automation began. If you can interact with traders on a regular basis, it’s definitely possible to move over (still not ‘easy’ but probably easier than most other back/middle-office to front-office transitions):

https://mergersandinquisitions.com/middle-office-to-sales-trading/

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By: Tjmrr https://mergersandinquisitions.com/fixed-income-trading/#comment-688690 Tue, 25 Sep 2018 06:06:25 +0000 https://www.mergersandinquisitions.com/?p=1276#comment-688690 After reading a recent wsj piece about the change in hierarchy from jock traders to programming ‘straders’, what’s the liklihood of quant heavy positions such as market risk and quantative research being thrusted to the front office in the next few years?

And if not, how hard is it to move to trading from one of these roles?

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By: M&I - Brian https://mergersandinquisitions.com/fixed-income-trading/#comment-688485 Sat, 22 Sep 2018 20:37:41 +0000 https://www.mergersandinquisitions.com/?p=1276#comment-688485 In reply to JB.

Good question. I don’t know if there’s a specific reason for the discount, but it might be that traders are perceived as being “more responsible” for the profits or managing the risk and limiting losses, whereas salespeople don’t have to worry about risk in the same way.

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